Designers think “outside the div” why doesn’t CSS?

Somewhere someone decided that using tables for layout was bad.  Everyone who was doing it got slapped on the wrist, and everyone who agreed with the notion removed all tables and added div with CSS instead.  The result was html files that were clean, and a lot of really ugly websites.  You have 2 options.

Option 1 - use tables, where everything is a big grid, and you lay it out in the HTML the way you want it to look.  This option is very nice in the sense that no matter what people do your text doesn’t overlap.  No ugly websites, instead you get ugly html

Option 2 - use divs that are placed via CSS.  Boom - beautiful html, but unless you’re good at CSS it looks terrible in one of the 3 major browsers.  The problem, of course, is microsoft and their inability to program things to standards, but this problem exists and there’s nothing that web developers can do about that but work around it.

Option 2 has definately won the war, but still major companies like google choose to use tables (in programs like gmail) because “they just work”.  Of course they use divs and tables in a joint way, which seems to be “the best way” because of these issues.

My complaint: If you’ve ever worked with a designer before to build your websites, designers don’t know how to think inside the box.  They always want to design things that look nice, not things that are necessarily easy to program.  They want borders around divs that are made out of images, the border width = 2 thing just isn’t good enough.  They want rounded corners, or torn corners.  They want this image to be placed a little outside of the div, and they want this button to be gradient in just the right way.  They want scrollbars that look like the rest of their design.  They are soo picky.  And CSS, which should be tailored to fit their picky ways, doesn’t work like a designer.

CSS wants you to either place things in a flow or absolute.  I could (and most likely am) be wrong, but to me it’s difficult to get one div to just plain overlap another div.  It’s hard to make an image that becomes a border of a certain class of divs.  And it’s just plain impossible to overwrite the default scrollbar “because who would want to anyway” (ME!!! or at least my designer :)) unless you plan on using javascript, and even then the libraries are outdated.  CSS is almost powerful, so almost powerful that it hurts to use it.  It almost has the ability to position things the way I want.  It just needs a redesign.

That’s my rant :)

What if CSS added (feel free to comment on what you’d like to see it add):

border-image(url(../images/tornborder.png) 13px 8px 120px 270px) - the syntax obviously is made by me, but the idea is that tornborder.png is a sprite that can be cut up to corners and sides using the px as the grid to split it up (my thoughts are that the top is the top 13px, the top left corner is from 0 to 8 px in and 0 to 13 px down, the left is from 0 to 8px in, the bottom left is from 0 to 8 and from 120 to height, etc.

scrollbar-image-horizontal(url(../images/scrollbar.png))

scrollbar-image-vertical

scrollbar-background(url(../images/scrollbarback.png))

scrollbar-arrows(url(../images/scrollbararrows.png) 5px (basically a 10px by 10px picture that is a grid of 4 5px arrows)

stack: true - makes everything inside this element “stack”

align: center - who was the moron that forgot to add this?  gaahhh.  And if someone purposely left this out, then who’s up for a good old tar and feathering? margin-auto is a cop out, doesn’t always work, and isn’t align: center :).  Align: left .. align: right … margin-left: auto margin-right: auto, which one of these aint like the other?

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